What I know of Job is that God favored him more than most people. The devil thought he could lead Job to curse God, and God allowed the Devil to test Job. God only had one stipulation, and it was that the devil could not kill Job. The devil killed Jobs family and all of his cattle. Job still kept his faith in God which led the devil to put boils all on Job's body. Job still kept his faith in God. After all the tribulations Job went through, God blessed him seven times and thats the end of the story.
Job was a boss, did work for God. I know satan tried to attack him and strip everything from Job except his life and Job still loved God and did not curse him. We all had problems, some as bad as Job, soe not as bad but we should learn from the book of Job to stick with God and never curse Him becuase He will always help us if we ask Him and believe
Job was a man of great faith. God blessed him in many ways. He had possessions and descendants beyond compare, except for maybe Abraham. However, Satan challenged God. He pointed out that the only reason Job stayed so faithful was because of the many gifts and blessings God bestowed upon Job. So God gave Job into Satan hands as long as Job's life was spared. Everything was taken away from Job and his very health was taken away as well. But not once did Job curse God. Finally, Satan realized that his efforts were in vain and God gave Job back everything he had in increased amounts. Job is the story of unfathomable faith.
I agree with Tommy. When life gets rough it's hard not to curse God. But He loves us more than we can imagine and there is alwaya a reason for our suffering. We have to remember that God is in control of everything. Jon: I like the way you said that the Devil tested Job. It kind of reminds me of when the Devil tempted Jesus in the New Testament. Satan tried to tempt Job into cursing God, but he wasn't successful. Hurrah!
If I do recall, Job was a man who suffered incredible hardships, though he was one of the most righteous men that had ever lived. God tested Job as extensively as anyone could be tested. I'm pretty sure he remains faithful to God even as his wife and friends are telling him to give up. You're right, Audrianna. We can see how Satan used the security of Job's possessions as a fulcrum to up-heave Job. How many of us get up-heaved when something material of ours is taken away? Tommy, you make a good point. Our lives may not be as hard as Job's was and sometimes it may be hard to apply the story of Job to our own lives. We just have to see past the literal happenings and see the morals that lie beneath.
Job was a true man of God. He was tested by God and lived quite a harsh life. He lost everything he owned expcept for his own life. However, through it all, Job never lost faith in God: a truly inspiring story.
Sally- I like the way your write. Its beautiful. Also Job definately was one of the most righteous man that ever lived. He is truly an inspiration for all christians going through hard times.
Tommy-I like how you said that Job was a boss... because he was one... -_-
Job was the man with the plan. I really like Job because it helps me to learn some things to pray for and to consider when i go through sufferings. Also it helps me to see that at least my problems are not that bad. I agree with tommy that he is a boss and that he definitely "does work" for God." And i know tommy is right that when we ask for help from God he will definitely hear us. I agree with John that sometimes when we are tested and we go through hard times, the blessings after make it soooooooo much worth it.
First, I agree with Tommy on the random creeperness of that deleted post. As for Job, he was a man who was tested to extreme lengths, but still believed in the power of God. I agree with Mitchell that the story of Job reminds us that even when we suffer, it is nothing compared to the trials that Job went through. Also, I agree with Audrianna that even when we are going through rough things, God has an ultimate plan for our lives and He will protect us, so we just have to trust Him; even when it is difficult.
I think that the frank discussions that Job and God have in this book are really interesting. I mean, can you imagine? Job is torn from all sides; his wife is saying "curse God" and his friends are saying "this is all your fault." Job questions God to his face, and God responds by putting things in perspective. Job was not there when God created the world, and the amazingly huge things in it. However, he doesn't 'punish' Job for questioning his plan, which is important to remember. So, I agree with Mitchell. This dynamic between God and Job should help us to step back and think when life is hard.
I'll second that Audrianna- God is in control of things. He can see the whole picture.
Basically, Job was an honorable man of God. Satan got all up in God's face and God was all "hey, check out my main man Job" and satan was like " the only reason he is so loyal to you is that he has never had anything bad happen to him" So God gives satan complete control of Job other than killing him. Satan tests Job by killing his family, animals,servants, and so on. Job stays loyal to God, goes through a "woe is me" period and in the end does not forsake God
What I knew about Job before we started reading it today, was that Job was basically the perfect guy. He was a righteous and Godly man. When God allowed Job to be tested, he remained faithful. Not even the harshest of circumstances could draw him away from his faith. What an example of what it means to whole heartedly follow Christ! Job demonstrates that when God is the absolute center of your life, the true lover of your soul, and all you do is for His glory and honor, the things that you lose in this life become almost trivial. Job mourned the loss of his family, but his love for God was greater than the pain of His loss. Job was, it seems, the perfect Christian. I know I would fallen short if I was ever put through what he was.
Job is a man that is very rich and has lots of animals. He loves God and is very righteous. He is so righteous that God allows satan to test Job. Job never courses God and gets back everything he had and more. "Marquis"
I know that Job is a story of how God tests those whom he loves. Also demonstrated in Job is the fact that bad things DO happen to "good" people. Jon and Sally both have good synopses on the plot.
Weeelllll wellll. I do know that Job had a great life and and great family and loved em a lot! And God allowed Satan to take all his most prized possesions away from him in the blink of an eye. But then at the end of the story he gets everything back plus some. Now the only thing i don't get about all that is how he got his same family back??? i don't think he did, that whole situation is fishy to me and i hope to find out more when we read it
I have known Job as a man who had great patience and obedience in Christ. Though he was very venerable christian and flawless man, he had to go through all the 'unexpected' suffers in God.
I agree with Audriana and Josh in that God is in control of all;therefor,it also implicates that He can put bad incident to good people. We just do not konw nor can we ever understand His huge 'plans' on us beyond the universe.
i have seen that the road is not easy, and we should not pretend that it is and to not take christianity so lightly, it is a constant walk with Jesus and we should treat it with more thought and concern them we sometimes do.
i agree with mitchell that christianity can not be taken lightly. we will always have these roadblocks or struggles we meet along our journey(as used in the book) that we must decided what to do with. Some of the time they are pulling as away from our goal as a christian and can try and lead us astray but we need to stay focused and know that God is the one to trust
Mostly that being a Christian is a constant growing process. Our faith isn't something that we can just say we have, but not work on. When things try to pull us away from what we believe we have to remeber our goal of doing what Christ wants even though it may be difficult at the time.
I often feel like I'm going down other pathways, some detour that seems like it would be easier to travel. Or I'm asleep in my journey. That occurs more often, I think. Unfortunately, like in the allegory, once you fall out of a regular aquaintance with God, it's hard to get back into it. Guilt gets in the way. And sometimes we don't want to admit that we ever lost touch with God. I stand more with the former.
McKenzie, I think your statement can be one of the hardest things about being a Christian. God isn't a pen-pal or a to-do list that eventually gets attended to. To walk with God, we have to walk everyday. When we sit, it's just as good as stepping back.
Tommy, focus is definitely essential, as you have said. That is something that maybe every Christian struggles with. I know I do.
I agree with Sally. I feel like I sometimes take the path that is the easiest because I'm afraid of the hard road ahead. I don't want to suffer. I sometimes feel that if I make a horrible error, God won't want me anymore. But what Pilgrim's Progress helped me see was that God always sends somebody to help becuase of his infinite love. Every time Christian fell short or messed up, God didn't condemn him. He sent someone to pick Christian back up, help him to understand what he did wrong, and push him back in the right direction. I also agree with Bumpkin23. We grow in our faith. We are not autonatically like Faithful. Every day is a new day to grow in a relationship with God. But the hard part is surrendering ourselves fully to Him.
Before reading the pilgrims progress I never really thought about the whole "your saved now so you can just lay back and take a nap" thing. My church doesn't believe that you need to do good works to be saved so I guess I just took on the part of "sleeping." What I realized was just because you don't need to do good works to be saved doesn'tmean you shouldn't do them.
It makes me feel like i need to be more serious about my walk with God on a day to day basis. By reading about Christian's journey, I am reminded of the fact that we are to live ouf life for God and that its not always going to be easy
I agree with Mitchell that christianity is not to be treated lightly and i can relate to sally's statements about being asleep on our christian journey
The personified "sin" that struck me the most from the Pilgrim's Progress was despond. I find myself in the "Slough of Despond" all too often, and this story is a good reminder about the dangers of that.
Alexandra- really really well said. It is so easy to just "sleep" through our Christian journey.
Sally-I can definitely relate with what your saying.
Essentially, It allows me to retrospect my journey to that of Christian in the book. As many people mentioned it already, I learned how often we become oblivious about such improtance of our journey with God so easily and do not really focus our full attentions at the spritual growth. The journey of Christian in this book certainly serves as a paragon of what ours may also ought to be.
Our Christian journey is a difficult and strenuous journey, and it takes a lot of perseverence. I tend to get frustrated a lot, and let myself get caught up in other things, and I need to learn to focus more on my Christian journey. (sorry i'm thirty minutes late :/)
yes. Almost every trial that Christian goes through (and usually fails) convicts me of changes that need to be made in my life. I would be more specific, but that would take too long.
Scribbles yaya- really? Not any of it? I agree though, some sections are kind of difficult to figure out they symbolism.
Josh- I love how you said that explaining the changes that need to be made in your life would take too long. I definately "feel you on that." lol. There are so so so many imperfections in all of us. Thank goodness we have a savior!
just failed the word verification like ten times so im not feeling putting much on this, oh well...i agree with BR on this, he/she makes a valid point on how we can become oblivious and not focus on our spiritual growth...also, who is BR?
i agree very mutch with mitchell that our slavation is not something to be taken lightly, and mandy is right in saying that all of us need to focus more on what's important rather than those things that distract us.
I utterly agree with Bumkin and Hannah in their saying that we need to constantly remind ourselves of our relationship with God because the days are evil and that we are so vulnerable to deviate easily from the our spiritual journey with God.
Reading The Pilgrim's Progress has reinforeced to me that I need other people in my spiritual walk with God. It isn't something I am capable of doing on my own. I would fail miserably if I only took my own council.
Alexandra - I agree. I think so many Christians forget to do good works because we are comfortable with the life we have and see no real need for doing anything else, since we have already know Christ as our Savior.
Audrianna - It's hard for me that Christian always seems to have a safety net, like you said, someone that pulls him back onto the right path. It doesn't always feel that way to me.
So I'm late on this from being out of town but that's just how the cookie crumbles on this one. Bethany I agree with what you said that we need other people in out walk with Christ because we cannot go through our struggles on our own. I also agree that while other things frusterate us, we have to refocus on our walk with God and not other things that we have going on.
im a late to but i agree with mckenzie on agreeing with bethany in that we cannont do it alone and those that hardly ever and if they do i do not see how,find happiness. i agree with andre also that the verifications are annoying! but owell i like this better than tangler. i agree with alexandra, we do need to do good works out of the fruits of the spirit that God has given us.
Harry Potter. It reminds me of Harry Potter. However, Jane Eyre WAS written first, so it gets the credit. I'm not sure if JK Rowling was inspired by Bronte, but I doubt it. It's an age-old subject that is written about all the time. But for me, this has been the best interpretation of it that I've read. It's very realistic.
My fist impressions of Jane Eyre upon reading chapters 1-8 are that she has a very strong and independent-seeking character. She is very brave and has the instinct to seek justice in all situations. She is a hero, and I am absolutely in love with this book! I love it. =)
I find Jane Eyre to be different from any novel i have henceforth read. although it is somewhat difficult to keep up with, i do very much enjoy the content, and Bronte's wrtiting style is very appealing to me.
I find Jane Eyre to be very interesting. I dont really know what to make of her, but, as I read more in Jane Eyre, I will understand her character more
i like jane eyre so far, i started off thinking it was just going to be a chik-flik novel but upon further reading i have discovered it to be quite interesting. I like the fact that she stands up for what she beleives in like alexandra was talking about. I agree with john in the fact that i am not quite sure what to quite think of her yet, whether her stubborness is a good or bad thing.
I've actually read the book before, but the second time around I'm noticing more interesting details in the story. Josh, I really like Bronte's style, too. It doesn't dumb down the language like a lot of books do. Also, like Mrs. Smith mentioned, Jane reveals her personal feelings and psychological workings. I think that is what really makes the story interesting, instead of just a chickflick book.
Alexandra, I agree that Jane's strong character is almost immediately apparent in the book. Go her!
Jane Eyre quite reminds me the tough version of cinderella. Despite the guiltlessness of Jane and Cinderella, both are put into inexplicable injustice circumstances. Yet, Jane Eyre's somewhat insubordinate inclination makes the story very interesting.
Jon was correct in saying that Jane Eyre is too dynamic of a character to understand without much more storyline. Also, i agree with Mitchell inasmuch as this novel has grown on me the more i have read it.
Jane Eyre reminds me of Daddy Long-legs by Jean Webster, which was one of my favorite childhood novel.I fell like the setting of the characters were similar. Both protagonists in the novels are impoverished orphans who fall in love with rich men. Despite their hardships, they take a frirm stand. -Rebecca
I have also already read the book, but in the first few chapters, we see that Jane Eyre is very intellectual and logical for her age. She doesn't appear to be the kind of child you can fool into believing anything. She needs to know the workings behind what she is being told. She needs to know the facts and the reasoning behind it. She is also a very somber child. She doesn't have the carefree attitude that we associate children with having, but she does, like all children, long to please. She is looking for approval.
I agree with everyone who said that Jane is an independent and strong character.
Alexandra - I agree with you about her seeking justice in all situations. She wants everything in life to be fair.
I'm like so late on this Jane Eyre biz but here goes. I like the book so far Jane seems like an independent girl which would have been a nice change of pace for when this novel was written. I agree with Tommy on the whole Disney movie aspect and BR that this seems sort of like a Cinderella type story.
We are starting to get into the eeriness of the story. There is a dark myster about Mrs. Poole. Already has she tried to kill Mr. Rochester by burning him and she also bit and slashed Rochester's old aquaintance from the West Indies. This fellow knows something about Mrs. Poole, as does Mr. Rochester. This leaves Jane in the darkness of a curious enigma. This creepy darkness is very much a Gothic trait.
Well, 1) The mysteries behind Mrs. Poole, mainly her odd behavior on a regular basis, 2) Mr. Rochester's secrets along with the secrets of others, 3) Several attempted murders, and perhaps 4) The consistant curiosity of Jane in her narration. I'm sure there are others, but I can't think of any more. ^.^'
The story I think is okay. I'm not a fan of reading, and I don't comprehend what I read most of the time, so I dont really see anything interesting in the Gothic features.
Well, everything has pretty much been said. The mysterious laugh, sounds in the night, random fire, and murder attempt are all Gothic elements. I think the setting is rather dark, too. Thornfield seems to be one of those old, stone mansions that are gloomy and worn. Also, it is surrounded by thorn bushes and dead trees. Shhcary. I think Mr. Rochester's appearance, too, is somewhat Gothic, as he is described as being dark and stern looking, with an unpredictable personality.
umm I lost my comment so here goes again. I am going to second Audrianna and Sally: the mysterious noises in the night, murder attempts, and random fire are all Gothic elements.
I also think that the setting itself is Gothic. Thornfield seems to be one of those gloomy, dark old mansions in a cold English countryside. It is stone, and is surrounded by thorn bushes and dead trees.
Mr. Rochester, too, is a Gothic character because of his moody, capricious personality and dark, sinister appearance.
I agree with Hannah, Sally, and Audrianna. The whole thing with Grace Poole is definately a Gothic trait. I also think that there are evidences of Gothic traits in the descriptions of the nature in relation to the story. At one point, there is a storm and Jane feels that something is going to go wrong because she feels something supernatural in the storm telling her so.
Almost all of the gothic traits in Jane Eyre are related in some way to Grace Poole. Whether she is attacking Mr. Mason, setting fire to Mr. Rochester's room, or laughing like a demon, Grace Poole is constantly bringing the gothic theme into the story.
Well everyone has pretty much covered it. The creepiness of the setting I think is the basis for the gothic elements. Also, Grace's character adds to it and then the fact that the fire situation is kinda left up in the air adds a sense of mystery to the story. So, I agree with Hannah on the setting being a major gothic factor of the story. I also agree with Audrianna that the stabbing of Mr. Rochester's friend makes the story even creepier.
I have like 5 minutes to post this so here goes. We see mysterious elements such as the questionable Grace Pool, concealed love, strange happenings (such as the erie laughter and the fire), and even the fact that Jane is an orphan- death seems always present in the story.
first off, i want to apoligize to everyone out there and also myself. i know all my fans out their following me are dissappointed as well. the gothic trait i see is the possible pain and terror that the mysterious person in the upper room brings. the whole someone getting bit thing intrigues me on the gothic side of things
well it seems like everyone has really hit the nale on the head. i see things like apparitons with mr rochester and the horse or whatever. i see that mrs poole is kind of a sinister dark character. The whole bording school thing, and the mysteries that lie behind it are pretty gothicky along with benefactors and benefactressess (sp) but that is also elements of the time in which the story is being written. I agree with Tommy on the getting bit thing was kind of dark,supernatural and gothic. and i also agree with the fact of the forbidden/hidden love that nicole spoke about. This book seems to have alot of the same things that Great Expectations had, i have a question if anyone knows the answer it would be great to hear it- were charles dickens and the author of jane eyre living at the same time? or did they ever talk? just a thought, i might be completely off here.
Well...I feel like everything has pretty much been said. Hannah - I agree with the location, itself, being Gothic. And along with everyone else -the mysterious events happening. I also think that simply the physical characteristics of Jane and Mr. Rochester could be considered as Gothic. They aren't gorgeous, upbeat people. They both have a more somber side to them.
In addition to the strange setting, i sense some mysterious aspects in the way Mr Rochester appears as dark and yet whimsical. As many mentioned already, he nuiances some omen with regard to Jane.
I agree with Nicole and Hennah in that their saying about the gothic setting in the novel such as random fire and concealed love as they mentioned above!!
1) Dont talk during quizzes and stuff, its 25% of our grade 2) Always, I mean always, get to class on time, none of that shananigans 3) What a zeugma is
1) do not run into the class being loud and boisterous- it doesnt start things off well 2) God has provided us with some great things in nature, the world, the worlds people, the worlds events.... to express in a literary context 3) i have learned how you are supposed to use citations in a resarch paper!
1. Reading and discussing the material with someone, not just a teacher, makes the content much easier to comprehend. 2. Everyone has an opinion. A very loud opinion [for the most part]. 3. That it is essential to keep a timely routine involving homework. And reading Jane Eyre at 1AM is NOT going to work in college.
Well... 1)Many people joke around in class, but they always have a really insightful comment to make. It's really awesome. 2)Robert Browning was a very disturbed gentleman and his wife was a little scary looking... 3)Everyone has the ability to understand poetry, sometimes it just takes a little work to figure it out. Bonus: Having a substitute while reading Macbeth is never a good idea...end of story. :)
Mitchell, you are definitely right. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and you shouldn't slam them if theirs is different than yours. That's just rude and quite immature. Tommy, knowing what a zeugma is has prepared me for years to come. :)
1) Don't be tardy to class 2) Don't forget your phone in the phone box when you leave class 3) If the door to Mrs. Smith's room is locked, then you cannot open it until it is unlocked.
1. Just plan on reading something every night cause if your not then you're gonna be behind. 2. If you're trying to use your phone in class, Mrs. Smith will find you out. 3. Mrs. Smith is never feeling the editors of our english book.
1- You can do a shallow overview of time periods and their poets and authors and still get a good sense of it. 2-Brian Park is freakn awesome 3-Group discussion and debate is helpful even if its not always on topic
1) Don't procrastinate. It just doesn't work out well in this class. 2) Class is a lot more interesting when the teacher is always willing to hear their student's thoughts and opinions and engage them in conversation, even if it's off topic. 3) The word "principality" has nothing to do with an idea or principle. It has to do with owning land.
I agree with everyone who said don't be tardy to class. I agree with BR (there is no definite answer in english). Also agree with Mitchell on the whole citation thing glad i finally learned how to do that whole dealio.
1). How to be more organized in writing essays: do a quick outline! 2). Mrs. Smith is an amazing teacher, who uses words in every day teaching/language that I have never heard before. Usually resulting in a mini class lesson on what the word means. 3). You don't have to cite after every sentence in an MLA format research paper!
I liked what Lugubrious said about not forgetting your phone in the phone box. I think i've done that about twice now.
I also agree with what Hannah said about the class discussions being helpful but not always on topic. I love the random off-topic conversations with mrs. smith! (the on-topic ones are good too =)).
Oh! Also, I learned that Tommy likes to ask so many questions during tests that it makes it completely impossible for me to concentrate! =P No hard feelings.
I agree with StagecrafterALF in that 'even jokes' can become insightful comment in the class!1!!
Also agree with Sally that this class helped us to experience what's not gonna work in college if we do not keep a timely routine involving assignmnets
1)how literature has affected our culture tody and in the past 2)the importance of literature in today's society and its relevance to current issues 3)how much i absolutely <3 Jane Eyre
lets get it on
ReplyDeleteyou have to do so many word verifications on this website, i was so confused trying to create an account
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Tommy. Well, at least I think this is Tommy.
ReplyDelete(This is Audrianna ALF is mi initials) :)
Ugh these word verifications are a killer.
hannah checking in cap'n!
ReplyDeletewow... pretty sure that last word verification was french for "monkey"
ReplyDeleteMrs. Smith where's the post?! - alexandra
ReplyDeleteYeah is there something we should be answering this week? I'm so confused. I hate this web site!
ReplyDeleteOh... this is McKenzie. Fyi.
ReplyDeletewheres the question?
ReplyDeletethe clock or whatever on this cite is retarded because its currently 9:16
ReplyDeleteand these word verifications are really getting on my nerves
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ReplyDeletethese word verifications are such a buzzkill, lol totally agree with hannah on the monkey thing
ReplyDeletefree week - I'll post next week. Congrats to those figured it out.
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ReplyDeleteHere's the question for October 19. Remember to respond by October 21, then again by October 23.
ReplyDeleteThis week we will begin a study of Job. Tell me what you know about it right now - before you read it.
What I know of Job is that God favored him more than most people. The devil thought he could lead Job to curse God, and God allowed the Devil to test Job. God only had one stipulation, and it was that the devil could not kill Job. The devil killed Jobs family and all of his cattle. Job still kept his faith in God which led the devil to put boils all on Job's body. Job still kept his faith in God. After all the tribulations Job went through, God blessed him seven times and thats the end of the story.
ReplyDeleteJob was a boss, did work for God. I know satan tried to attack him and strip everything from Job except his life and Job still loved God and did not curse him. We all had problems, some as bad as Job, soe not as bad but we should learn from the book of Job to stick with God and never curse Him becuase He will always help us if we ask Him and believe
ReplyDeleteJob was a man of great faith. God blessed him in many ways. He had possessions and descendants beyond compare, except for maybe Abraham. However, Satan challenged God. He pointed out that the only reason Job stayed so faithful was because of the many gifts and blessings God bestowed upon Job. So God gave Job into Satan hands as long as Job's life was spared. Everything was taken away from Job and his very health was taken away as well. But not once did Job curse God. Finally, Satan realized that his efforts were in vain and God gave Job back everything he had in increased amounts.
ReplyDeleteJob is the story of unfathomable faith.
I agree with Tommy. When life gets rough it's hard not to curse God. But He loves us more than we can imagine and there is alwaya a reason for our suffering. We have to remember that God is in control of everything.
ReplyDeleteJon: I like the way you said that the Devil tested Job. It kind of reminds me of when the Devil tempted Jesus in the New Testament. Satan tried to tempt Job into cursing God, but he wasn't successful. Hurrah!
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ReplyDeleteIf I do recall, Job was a man who suffered incredible hardships, though he was one of the most righteous men that had ever lived. God tested Job as extensively as anyone could be tested. I'm pretty sure he remains faithful to God even as his wife and friends are telling him to give up.
ReplyDeleteYou're right, Audrianna. We can see how Satan used the security of Job's possessions as a fulcrum to up-heave Job. How many of us get up-heaved when something material of ours is taken away?
Tommy, you make a good point. Our lives may not be as hard as Job's was and sometimes it may be hard to apply the story of Job to our own lives. We just have to see past the literal happenings and see the morals that lie beneath.
Job was a true man of God. He was tested by God and lived quite a harsh life. He lost everything he owned expcept for his own life. However, through it all, Job never lost faith in God: a truly inspiring story.
ReplyDeleteSally- I like the way your write. Its beautiful. Also Job definately was one of the most righteous man that ever lived. He is truly an inspiration for all christians going through hard times.
Tommy-I like how you said that Job was a boss... because he was one... -_-
+Alexandra Stafford+
Job was the man with the plan. I really like Job because it helps me to learn some things to pray for and to consider when i go through sufferings. Also it helps me to see that at least my problems are not that bad. I agree with tommy that he is a boss and that he definitely "does work" for God." And i know tommy is right that when we ask for help from God he will definitely hear us. I agree with John that sometimes when we are tested and we go through hard times, the blessings after make it soooooooo much worth it.
ReplyDeletesomnolence7722 is creepin, posting something and then deleating it and not saying anything after....odd
ReplyDeleteanyways i agree with everyne becuase it seems as everyone alreadys agrees, lol
First, I agree with Tommy on the random creeperness of that deleted post. As for Job, he was a man who was tested to extreme lengths, but still believed in the power of God. I agree with Mitchell that the story of Job reminds us that even when we suffer, it is nothing compared to the trials that Job went through. Also, I agree with Audrianna that even when we are going through rough things, God has an ultimate plan for our lives and He will protect us, so we just have to trust Him; even when it is difficult.
ReplyDeleteI think that the frank discussions that Job and God have in this book are really interesting. I mean, can you imagine? Job is torn from all sides; his wife is saying "curse God" and his friends are saying "this is all your fault." Job questions God to his face, and God responds by putting things in perspective. Job was not there when God created the world, and the amazingly huge things in it. However, he doesn't 'punish' Job for questioning his plan, which is important to remember. So, I agree with Mitchell. This dynamic between God and Job should help us to step back and think when life is hard.
ReplyDeleteI'll second that Audrianna- God is in control of things. He can see the whole picture.
Basically, Job was an honorable man of God. Satan got all up in God's face and God was all "hey, check out my main man Job" and satan was like " the only reason he is so loyal to you is that he has never had anything bad happen to him" So God gives satan complete control of Job other than killing him. Satan tests Job by killing his family, animals,servants, and so on. Job stays loyal to God, goes through a "woe is me" period and in the end does not forsake God
ReplyDeleteAudrianna- good points on Job
ReplyDeleteHannah and Mitchell- nice insight on dealing with life when it gets hard
I'm always late for these...
ReplyDeleteWhat I knew about Job before we started reading it today, was that Job was basically the perfect guy. He was a righteous and Godly man. When God allowed Job to be tested, he remained faithful. Not even the harshest of circumstances could draw him away from his faith. What an example of what it means to whole heartedly follow Christ! Job demonstrates that when God is the absolute center of your life, the true lover of your soul, and all you do is for His glory and honor, the things that you lose in this life become almost trivial. Job mourned the loss of his family, but his love for God was greater than the pain of His loss. Job was, it seems, the perfect Christian. I know I would fallen short if I was ever put through what he was.
Job is a man that is very rich and has lots of animals. He loves God and is very righteous. He is so righteous that God allows satan to test Job. Job never courses God and gets back everything he had and more. "Marquis"
ReplyDeletelol defiently agree with scribbles, lol too funny too funny
ReplyDeleteI know that Job is a story of how God tests those whom he loves. Also demonstrated in Job is the fact that bad things DO happen to "good" people.
ReplyDeleteJon and Sally both have good synopses on the plot.
Josh - I like that you pointed out that bad things happen to good people.
ReplyDeleteHannah - Yeah, Job really shows me that God can handle our honesty with Him.
Weeelllll wellll. I do know that Job had a great life and and great family and loved em a lot! And God allowed Satan to take all his most prized possesions away from him in the blink of an eye. But then at the end of the story he gets everything back plus some. Now the only thing i don't get about all that is how he got his same family back??? i don't think he did, that whole situation is fishy to me and i hope to find out more when we read it
ReplyDeletei agree with josh on the statement that bad things do happen to good people. I also agree with audri on well........everything she said haha.
ReplyDeleteI have known Job as a man who had great patience and obedience in Christ. Though he was very venerable christian and flawless man, he had to go through all the 'unexpected' suffers in God.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Audriana and Josh in that God is in control of all;therefor,it also implicates that He can put bad incident to good people. We just do not konw nor can we ever understand His huge 'plans' on us beyond the universe.
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ReplyDeleteAs we read The Pilgrim's Progress, is there anything that has convicted you of changes you may need to make in your own journey?
i have seen that the road is not easy, and we should not pretend that it is and to not take christianity so lightly, it is a constant walk with Jesus and we should treat it with more thought and concern them we sometimes do.
ReplyDeletei agree with mitchell that christianity can not be taken lightly. we will always have these roadblocks or struggles we meet along our journey(as used in the book) that we must decided what to do with. Some of the time they are pulling as away from our goal as a christian and can try and lead us astray but we need to stay focused and know that God is the one to trust
ReplyDeleteMostly that being a Christian is a constant growing process. Our faith isn't something that we can just say we have, but not work on. When things try to pull us away from what we believe we have to remeber our goal of doing what Christ wants even though it may be difficult at the time.
ReplyDeleteI often feel like I'm going down other pathways, some detour that seems like it would be easier to travel. Or I'm asleep in my journey. That occurs more often, I think. Unfortunately, like in the allegory, once you fall out of a regular aquaintance with God, it's hard to get back into it. Guilt gets in the way. And sometimes we don't want to admit that we ever lost touch with God. I stand more with the former.
ReplyDeleteMcKenzie, I think your statement can be one of the hardest things about being a Christian. God isn't a pen-pal or a to-do list that eventually gets attended to. To walk with God, we have to walk everyday. When we sit, it's just as good as stepping back.
ReplyDeleteTommy, focus is definitely essential, as you have said. That is something that maybe every Christian struggles with. I know I do.
I agree with Sally. I feel like I sometimes take the path that is the easiest because I'm afraid of the hard road ahead. I don't want to suffer. I sometimes feel that if I make a horrible error, God won't want me anymore. But what Pilgrim's Progress helped me see was that God always sends somebody to help becuase of his infinite love. Every time Christian fell short or messed up, God didn't condemn him. He sent someone to pick Christian back up, help him to understand what he did wrong, and push him back in the right direction.
ReplyDeleteI also agree with Bumpkin23. We grow in our faith. We are not autonatically like Faithful. Every day is a new day to grow in a relationship with God. But the hard part is surrendering ourselves fully to Him.
Before reading the pilgrims progress I never really thought about the whole "your saved now so you can just lay back and take a nap" thing. My church doesn't believe that you need to do good works to be saved so I guess I just took on the part of "sleeping." What I realized was just because you don't need to do good works to be saved doesn'tmean you shouldn't do them.
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ReplyDeleteby the way its 4:41 pm lol
ReplyDeleteIt makes me feel like i need to be more serious about my walk with God on a day to day basis. By reading about Christian's journey, I am reminded of the fact that we are to live ouf life for God and that its not always going to be easy
ReplyDeleteI agree with Mitchell that christianity is not to be treated lightly and i can relate to sally's statements about being asleep on our christian journey
ReplyDeleteThe personified "sin" that struck me the most from the Pilgrim's Progress was despond. I find myself in the "Slough of Despond" all too often, and this story is a good reminder about the dangers of that.
ReplyDeleteAlexandra- really really well said. It is so easy to just "sleep" through our Christian journey.
Sally-I can definitely relate with what your saying.
Essentially, It allows me to retrospect my journey to that of Christian in the book. As many people mentioned it already, I learned how often we become oblivious about such improtance of our journey with God so easily and do not really focus our full attentions at the spritual growth. The journey of Christian in this book certainly serves as a paragon of what ours may also ought to be.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Sally and Mitchell :)
ReplyDeleteOur Christian journey is a difficult and strenuous journey, and it takes a lot of perseverence. I tend to get frustrated a lot, and let myself get caught up in other things, and I need to learn to focus more on my Christian journey.
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yes. Almost every trial that Christian goes through (and usually fails) convicts me of changes that need to be made in my life. I would be more specific, but that would take too long.
ReplyDeleteI havent really understood any of pilgrims progress so no not really. but im sure its something in there that would
ReplyDeleteScribbles yaya- really? Not any of it? I agree though, some sections are kind of difficult to figure out they symbolism.
ReplyDeleteJosh- I love how you said that explaining the changes that need to be made in your life would take too long. I definately "feel you on that." lol. There are so so so many imperfections in all of us. Thank goodness we have a savior!
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just failed the word verification like ten times so im not feeling putting much on this, oh well...i agree with BR on this, he/she makes a valid point on how we can become oblivious and not focus on our spiritual growth...also, who is BR?
ReplyDeletei agree very mutch with mitchell that our slavation is not something to be taken lightly, and mandy is right in saying that all of us need to focus more on what's important rather than those things that distract us.
ReplyDeleteI utterly agree with Bumkin and Hannah in their saying that we need to constantly remind ourselves of our relationship with God because the days are evil and that we are so vulnerable to deviate easily from the our spiritual journey with God.
ReplyDeleteBy the way- this is BR ian
Reading The Pilgrim's Progress has reinforeced to me that I need other people in my spiritual walk with God. It isn't something I am capable of doing on my own. I would fail miserably if I only took my own council.
ReplyDeleteAlexandra - I agree. I think so many Christians forget to do good works because we are comfortable with the life we have and see no real need for doing anything else, since we have already know Christ as our Savior.
Audrianna - It's hard for me that Christian always seems to have a safety net, like you said, someone that pulls him back onto the right path. It doesn't always feel that way to me.
So I'm late on this from being out of town but that's just how the cookie crumbles on this one. Bethany I agree with what you said that we need other people in out walk with Christ because we cannot go through our struggles on our own. I also agree that while other things frusterate us, we have to refocus on our walk with God and not other things that we have going on.
ReplyDeleteim a late to but i agree with mckenzie on agreeing with bethany in that we cannont do it alone and those that hardly ever and if they do i do not see how,find happiness. i agree with andre also that the verifications are annoying! but owell i like this better than tangler. i agree with alexandra, we do need to do good works out of the fruits of the spirit that God has given us.
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ReplyDeleteWhat are your initial impressions of Jane Eyre?
Kind of reminds me of a disney movie of a little girl who gets no love or respect and then will grow on to bigger and better things
ReplyDeleteHarry Potter. It reminds me of Harry Potter. However, Jane Eyre WAS written first, so it gets the credit. I'm not sure if JK Rowling was inspired by Bronte, but I doubt it. It's an age-old subject that is written about all the time. But for me, this has been the best interpretation of it that I've read. It's very realistic.
ReplyDeleteMy fist impressions of Jane Eyre upon reading chapters 1-8 are that she has a very strong and independent-seeking character. She is very brave and has the instinct to seek justice in all situations. She is a hero, and I am absolutely in love with this book! I love it. =)
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I find Jane Eyre to be different from any novel i have henceforth read. although it is somewhat difficult to keep up with, i do very much enjoy the content, and Bronte's wrtiting style is very appealing to me.
ReplyDeleteI find Jane Eyre to be very interesting. I dont really know what to make of her, but, as I read more in Jane Eyre, I will understand her character more
ReplyDeletei like jane eyre so far, i started off thinking it was just going to be a chik-flik novel but upon further reading i have discovered it to be quite interesting. I like the fact that she stands up for what she beleives in like alexandra was talking about. I agree with john in the fact that i am not quite sure what to quite think of her yet, whether her stubborness is a good or bad thing.
ReplyDeleteI've actually read the book before, but the second time around I'm noticing more interesting details in the story. Josh, I really like Bronte's style, too. It doesn't dumb down the language like a lot of books do. Also, like Mrs. Smith mentioned, Jane reveals her personal feelings and psychological workings. I think that is what really makes the story interesting, instead of just a chickflick book.
ReplyDeleteAlexandra, I agree that Jane's strong character is almost immediately apparent in the book. Go her!
Jane Eyre quite reminds me the tough version of cinderella. Despite the guiltlessness of Jane and Cinderella, both are put into inexplicable injustice circumstances.
ReplyDeleteYet, Jane Eyre's somewhat insubordinate inclination makes the story very interesting.
I agree with snapcracklepop in his or her expectation that Jane will groww after the hardship period.
ReplyDeleteHennah, i agree with your saying that psychological effect adds much interesting to its story !#
Jon was correct in saying that Jane Eyre is too dynamic of a character to understand without much more storyline.
ReplyDeleteAlso, i agree with Mitchell inasmuch as this novel has grown on me the more i have read it.
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ReplyDeleteJane Eyre reminds me of Daddy Long-legs by Jean Webster, which was one of my favorite childhood novel.I fell like the setting of the characters were similar. Both protagonists in the novels are impoverished orphans who fall in love with rich men. Despite their hardships, they take a frirm stand.
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yupp...missed this one too.
ReplyDeleteI have also already read the book, but in the first few chapters, we see that Jane Eyre is very intellectual and logical for her age. She doesn't appear to be the kind of child you can fool into believing anything. She needs to know the workings behind what she is being told. She needs to know the facts and the reasoning behind it. She is also a very somber child. She doesn't have the carefree attitude that we associate children with having, but she does, like all children, long to please. She is looking for approval.
I agree with everyone who said that Jane is an independent and strong character.
Alexandra - I agree with you about her seeking justice in all situations. She wants everything in life to be fair.
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ReplyDeleteI'm like so late on this Jane Eyre biz but here goes. I like the book so far Jane seems like an independent girl which would have been a nice change of pace for when this novel was written. I agree with Tommy on the whole Disney movie aspect and BR that this seems sort of like a Cinderella type story.
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ReplyDeleteOutline the Gothic traits we are beginning to see in Jane Eyre.
We are starting to get into the eeriness of the story. There is a dark myster about Mrs. Poole. Already has she tried to kill Mr. Rochester by burning him and she also bit and slashed Rochester's old aquaintance from the West Indies. This fellow knows something about Mrs. Poole, as does Mr. Rochester. This leaves Jane in the darkness of a curious enigma. This creepy darkness is very much a Gothic trait.
ReplyDeleteWell, 1) The mysteries behind Mrs. Poole, mainly her odd behavior on a regular basis, 2) Mr. Rochester's secrets along with the secrets of others, 3) Several attempted murders, and perhaps 4) The consistant curiosity of Jane in her narration. I'm sure there are others, but I can't think of any more. ^.^'
ReplyDeleteThe story I think is okay. I'm not a fan of reading, and I don't comprehend what I read most of the time, so I dont really see anything interesting in the Gothic features.
ReplyDeleteWell, everything has pretty much been said. The mysterious laugh, sounds in the night, random fire, and murder attempt are all Gothic elements. I think the setting is rather dark, too. Thornfield seems to be one of those old, stone mansions that are gloomy and worn. Also, it is surrounded by thorn bushes and dead trees. Shhcary. I think Mr. Rochester's appearance, too, is somewhat Gothic, as he is described as being dark and stern looking, with an unpredictable personality.
ReplyDeleteumm I lost my comment so here goes again. I am going to second Audrianna and Sally: the mysterious noises in the night, murder attempts, and random fire are all Gothic elements.
ReplyDeleteI also think that the setting itself is Gothic. Thornfield seems to be one of those gloomy, dark old mansions in a cold English countryside. It is stone, and is surrounded by thorn bushes and dead trees.
Mr. Rochester, too, is a Gothic character because of his moody, capricious personality and dark, sinister appearance.
I agree with Hannah, Sally, and Audrianna. The whole thing with Grace Poole is definately a Gothic trait. I also think that there are evidences of Gothic traits in the descriptions of the nature in relation to the story. At one point, there is a storm and Jane feels that something is going to go wrong because she feels something supernatural in the storm telling her so.
ReplyDeleteAlmost all of the gothic traits in Jane Eyre are related in some way to Grace Poole. Whether she is attacking Mr. Mason, setting fire to Mr. Rochester's room, or laughing like a demon, Grace Poole is constantly bringing the gothic theme into the story.
ReplyDeleteWell everyone has pretty much covered it. The creepiness of the setting I think is the basis for the gothic elements. Also, Grace's character adds to it and then the fact that the fire situation is kinda left up in the air adds a sense of mystery to the story. So, I agree with Hannah on the setting being a major gothic factor of the story. I also agree with Audrianna that the stabbing of Mr. Rochester's friend makes the story even creepier.
ReplyDeleteI have like 5 minutes to post this so here goes. We see mysterious elements such as the questionable Grace Pool, concealed love, strange happenings (such as the erie laughter and the fire), and even the fact that Jane is an orphan- death seems always present in the story.
ReplyDeletefirst off, i want to apoligize to everyone out there and also myself. i know all my fans out their following me are dissappointed as well. the gothic trait i see is the possible pain and terror that the mysterious person in the upper room brings. the whole someone getting bit thing intrigues me on the gothic side of things
ReplyDeletewell it seems like everyone has really hit the nale on the head. i see things like apparitons with mr rochester and the horse or whatever. i see that mrs poole is kind of a sinister dark character. The whole bording school thing, and the mysteries that lie behind it are pretty gothicky along with benefactors and benefactressess (sp) but that is also elements of the time in which the story is being written. I agree with Tommy on the getting bit thing was kind of dark,supernatural and gothic. and i also agree with the fact of the forbidden/hidden love that nicole spoke about. This book seems to have alot of the same things that Great Expectations had, i have a question if anyone knows the answer it would be great to hear it- were charles dickens and the author of jane eyre living at the same time? or did they ever talk? just a thought, i might be completely off here.
ReplyDeleteWell...I feel like everything has pretty much been said. Hannah - I agree with the location, itself, being Gothic.
ReplyDeleteAnd along with everyone else -the mysterious events happening.
I also think that simply the physical characteristics of Jane and Mr. Rochester could be considered as Gothic. They aren't gorgeous, upbeat people. They both have a more somber side to them.
In addition to the strange setting, i sense some mysterious aspects in the way Mr Rochester appears as dark and yet whimsical. As many mentioned already, he nuiances some omen with regard to Jane.
ReplyDeleteTommy, what do you mean your sorry to your fans? What fans???
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I agree with Nicole and Hennah in that their saying about the gothic setting in the novel such as random fire and concealed love as they mentioned above!!
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ReplyDeleteList at least three things you have learned in this class.
1) Dont talk during quizzes and stuff, its 25% of our grade
ReplyDelete2) Always, I mean always, get to class on time, none of that shananigans
3) What a zeugma is
1) do not run into the class being loud and boisterous- it doesnt start things off well
ReplyDelete2) God has provided us with some great things in nature, the world, the worlds people, the worlds events.... to express in a literary context
3) i have learned how you are supposed to use citations in a resarch paper!
1. Reading and discussing the material with someone, not just a teacher, makes the content much easier to comprehend.
ReplyDelete2. Everyone has an opinion. A very loud opinion [for the most part].
3. That it is essential to keep a timely routine involving homework. And reading Jane Eyre at 1AM is NOT going to work in college.
i agree with tommy on the not talking on the quizzez and i agree with sally on the opinion thing- everyone has an opinion and we should respect that!
ReplyDeleteI have learned that English can be fun, discussions are better than lectures, and open book tests are amazing!
ReplyDeleteWell...
ReplyDelete1)Many people joke around in class, but they always have a really insightful comment to make. It's really awesome.
2)Robert Browning was a very disturbed gentleman and his wife was a little scary looking...
3)Everyone has the ability to understand poetry, sometimes it just takes a little work to figure it out.
Bonus: Having a substitute while reading Macbeth is never a good idea...end of story. :)
Mitchell, you are definitely right. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and you shouldn't slam them if theirs is different than yours. That's just rude and quite immature.
ReplyDeleteTommy, knowing what a zeugma is has prepared me for years to come. :)
1) Don't be tardy to class
ReplyDelete2) Don't forget your phone in the phone box when you leave class
3) If the door to Mrs. Smith's room is locked, then you cannot open it until it is unlocked.
1. Just plan on reading something every night cause if your not then you're gonna be behind.
ReplyDelete2. If you're trying to use your phone in class, Mrs. Smith will find you out.
3. Mrs. Smith is never feeling the editors of our english book.
1- You can do a shallow overview of time periods and their poets and authors and still get a good sense of it.
ReplyDelete2-Brian Park is freakn awesome
3-Group discussion and debate is helpful even if its not always on topic
1) Don't procrastinate. It just doesn't work out well in this class.
ReplyDelete2) Class is a lot more interesting when the teacher is always willing to hear their student's thoughts and opinions and engage them in conversation, even if it's off topic.
3) The word "principality" has nothing to do with an idea or principle. It has to do with owning land.
1. Ms smith knows everything what and how we commit under the desk
ReplyDelete2. There's no 'definite' answer in literature.
3. English is not always overwhelming ?!1@
I agree with everyone who said don't be tardy to class. I agree with BR (there is no definite answer in english). Also agree with Mitchell on the whole citation thing glad i finally learned how to do that whole dealio.
ReplyDelete1). How to be more organized in writing essays: do a quick outline!
ReplyDelete2). Mrs. Smith is an amazing teacher, who uses words in every day teaching/language that I have never heard before. Usually resulting in a mini class lesson on what the word means.
3). You don't have to cite after every sentence in an MLA format research paper!
I liked what Lugubrious said about not forgetting your phone in the phone box. I think i've done that about twice now.
I also agree with what Hannah said about the class discussions being helpful but not always on topic. I love the random off-topic conversations with mrs. smith! (the on-topic ones are good too =)).
Oh! Also, I learned that Tommy likes to ask so many questions during tests that it makes it completely impossible for me to concentrate! =P No hard feelings.
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Haha, gonna second that Alexandra, Tommy is the king of questions.
ReplyDeleteBethany- yes. procrastination worketh not for Mrs. Smith. :)
I agree with StagecrafterALF in that 'even jokes' can become insightful comment in the class!1!!
ReplyDeleteAlso agree with Sally that this class helped us to experience what's not gonna work in college if we do not keep a timely routine involving assignmnets
Mitchell is correct in asserting that boisterous behavior is not good, and Hanna is in the right by saying that Brian is awesome.
ReplyDelete1)how literature has affected our culture tody and in the past
ReplyDelete2)the importance of literature in today's society and its relevance to current issues
3)how much i absolutely <3 Jane Eyre